As excitement builds for Design Days, Doug sits down with Alexandra Tseffos - founder of Design Pop and champion of the design community. It's a conversation that goes all over the board. They talk about the future of learning in the commercial interiors industry, aura readings, loving what you do and what makes our industry's designers unique.
Doug (00:01.226)
Alexandra, thanks for joining me today. You are an entrepreneur, a podcaster. You're a lot of things. You've been a lot of things, actually. You've been a salesperson, a designer, and now you're building platforms to help really raise up the design community across dealers in the United States. And it's pretty awesome. So CEO and founder of the Design Pop, thanks for joining me.
Alexandra (00:10.976)
Ha ha.
Alexandra (00:24.598)
Thank you.
Alexandra (00:29.78)
You're so funny. I had someone send me a letter last year. He was a mentor of mine and he addressed the letter to the CEO of the design pop. And I like when the letter came in the mail, my kids are like, What the heck is this?
Doug (00:36.485)
huh.
Doug (00:42.254)
You're gonna have to make up like a new a new meaning for that acronym or something, you know?
Alexandra (00:46.154)
Yeah, I don't know. You know, Doug, it's all it's it's cool to be able to see the industry from different angles and I just feel really privileged to be here.
Doug (00:54.346)
Awesome. Well, I am privileged that you're joining me days before Neocon. We're talking days here before before we head up to Chicago.
Alexandra (01:00.572)
Yeah. I know. Yeah, it's kind of a crazy time, right? I don't know about you, but between remembering if all the travel plans and things are booked, it's just nonstop trying to figure out where to be, how to manage all of Chicago, not just one location. It's lot.
Doug (01:19.468)
Yeah, there was probably an era for you where you would show up to Chicago and you just kinda moved about the crowds and now everybody knows you everywhere you go. So it's your your Chicago experience is a is different for you now. but
Alexandra (01:33.982)
It's a little different for sure. But you know what? Like it is still one of my favorite times of the year. I mean, how many times in this industry do we have a chance for so many people across so many roles and companies all gathering in one spot that I don't know, it just energizes me every year. I think you're the same. Like I get some people get, I think, stressed by it. For me, the days leading up might be a little stressful, but once we get there, man, it's exciting.
Doug (01:55.383)
I agree. I actually I equate it to the same feeling. So I I l I loved school. You know, I had good school experiences. I know it's not for everyone, but you know, when I got back from school bac you know, back from summer and I'm at the in the locker, you know, I'm seeing friends that I haven't seen in two months or whatever, even if they're acquaintances, like I was always energized by that. And I kind of look at Neocon as like my, you know, like coming back to see everybody, even if it's for three days.
It does. It it gives me sort of wind in my sails that carries me through the summer.
Alexandra (02:29.834)
Yes, especially because July can be, you know, a little bit like everyone's on vacation, it maybe isn't as loud that I feel like we need to go big on June.
Doug (02:38.03)
Going big. So speaking of going big, we have you coming to the JSI showroom Monday for cocktail hour. Yes.
Alexandra (02:46.592)
Yes. Yes. I'm so excited because I feel like, okay, so as my Chicago experience, you just said it has kind of evolved. It used to be that I would walk the halls and then maybe like the next year I would do an event where we're beating bracelets because if I'm being super honest, you know, when you start a company, you don't have a lot of money for swag. And when you're at the swaggiest event, you know, of our industry, you gotta give something out or like give an experience, right? This is the first year where I feel like it's so neat to see that we have dealer designer.
micro events happening. And it's I don't know. I'm so excited about I'm excited about the JSI one, especially this whole aura reading thing. I don't know, Doug, have you had your aura read? Because I haven't and like I don't know what they're gonna say about me.
Doug (03:18.21)
Well.
Doug (03:25.334)
I I
I don't know either. I have guesses. In fact, like and you've you've always been playful with color, you know, like I mean, I mean, that even led partly to the name the design pop, right? and so this aura reading, I I actually when the marketing team showed me this concept, this is like fall of last year, I was like, my god, I think this is like I think this is exactly what people want right now. 'Cause people love to learn it by themselves.
Alexandra (03:39.755)
Mm.
Doug (03:58.751)
And I think that word has been coming up. It's been like a a little bit of a trendy word. And I think we're like we're putting this opportunity out there for any of our guests to come and get their aura read. But to actually read your aura in front of a crowd is something I'm looking forward to because like the truth will be told.
Alexandra (04:18.666)
And I can handle it. Like I'm excited for Yeah, like I'm just excited for what this person is gonna say. because I you and I have known each other for so long that I don't feel like I'm a person who goes dark very often. So I'm not imagining this is gonna be dark, but what if it is? Like what happens if the person is like, Whoa, Alexandra, you have this, you know, whatever they say.
Doug (04:30.07)
No.
Doug (04:33.76)
I know. The
Doug (04:38.21)
Like yeah, you belong in the Addams family or something. That's like like I actually like that's the part that I'm I'm really looking forward to is like ever since I've known you, you've been the same. Like you've you you don't you don't have these like weird swings or moments and there's certain people you meet, they're full of pep and energy and you're like, come on, like there's no way you can sustain that but like that's you, like all the time. And so
Alexandra (05:03.242)
Yeah. No I'm
Yeah, that's fair.
Doug (05:07.98)
You know, your energy level being so high, like if your aura comes back and like I don't know what the colors mean, but if it's like gray or something, I'd be like, There's n like there's no way it can't be true.
Alexandra (05:18.144)
Well, Doug, I'm just glad that you were doing this at like three o'clock because here's the deal. My husband describes me as a light switch. I'm either on or I'm off. There's no in between. I don't have a dimmer. So because I have this like very high energy, if we did this at eight PM, my energy might be dead. Like it could come back real crazy.
Doug (05:33.016)
Yeah.
That's funny. Yeah, I wonder if you'll maybe you'll just like break the machine. Like it'll just be like boom, it's done.
Alexandra (05:42.453)
I I can't wait. And I'm wondering if there's a trend line for dealer designers. Like what is going to happen? Because, you know, when you look at things like disc assessments, I know like with the design pop, we've over the years done things like we've assessed dealer designers and dealer salespeople to kind of see how they fall. And definitely there are certain trends with that. Do the trends relate to Aura too? Like we're gonna find out.
Doug (06:03.282)
'Cause like aura is a real thing. Like you're I guess it's it's a it's a vibration that your body gives off based on a certain energy that you have. And there's a way to capture that and measure it, put some definition to it. And so I this is all new to me and I was fascinated by it. And it even kind of I think just the idea of knowing not just your own, but knowing that there's a bunch of auras out there.
Alexandra (06:13.118)
Mm-hmm.
Doug (06:32.076)
And they're all important in their unique way. Like that to me just creates a new conversation around diversity that's kind of interesting.
Alexandra (06:41.192)
It really is. I'm fascinated by how this is gonna go because I feel like this is an area I don't know a lot about very clearly by this conversation. And so I'm just really excited to learn about myself, of course. Cause like you I think everybody does kind of want to like take that moment to look inside. It's also unique because normally for design days for Neocon, we're so focused on just furniture, like what's in the room. I think this will be a cool moment to be like, who's in the room? What's the aura? What's the vibration? What's happening? And to see what that trend line looks like.
Doug (07:05.613)
Ooh.
Doug (07:11.63)
I know, I actually I I do think it'd be interesting to capture like and I know we're not making data out of this, you know, that kind of ruins the point, you know, but I part of me does want to say, like, ooh, could we capture like, you know, title or something so that we could draw some correlation between, you know, not like assuming there's going to be a correlation, but could there be a correlation in aura and profession? It'd be interesting to see.
Alexandra (07:38.698)
I think we need at least a hand raise, Doug. That's like my vote: is at least there's a hand raise. Like who in here is list your color here, raise your hand. Something like that, right?
Doug (07:46.242)
Yes. Yeah. So what what like how would you start to describe that? Like how would you start to describe the aura of a designer?
Alexandra (07:58.369)
You know, I don't know. But I what I where my brain always goes is when we are talking about people where their entire like day is focused on accuracy, precise nature, trying to solve puzzles, but also needing to be decently like influencing and social while your brain is going in such a mechanical way, it takes really a rare person, I think, to be able to pull off all of that at once.
Doug (08:10.734)
Mm.
Alexandra (08:28.628)
And so that's where I'm wondering if there's gonna be some similarities in this aura. and maybe it's surrounding that sense of duality. And maybe the duality, you know, between like two colors becomes more apparent based on if you're one way or another. Like I will say my again, like if I look at a disc assessment or something, like my
Doug (08:40.728)
Ooh.
Alexandra (08:50.56)
Disc is very much sunshine and yellow. Like I'm almost off the chart in like the influencing manner. I shouldn't be publicly admitting this because it's a little outing on that one, but but it's true. Like there's a reason I think I thrived more in sales than maybe in being precise as a designer. so when I think about that though, like that is still a trait that a lot of designers have. So I don't know, is it some somewhere between that? And like, how does the energy, how is in energy impacted when those things are actually?
Doug (08:58.584)
Ha ha.
Alexandra (09:18.454)
Contrasting and having to smash together all day long.
Doug (09:22.146)
I I think there's the duality that you mentioned super interesting. Like this idea that you need to be both highly accurate and creative. Like to me, those things almost comp compete. Like it's it feels like different sides of the brain almost, like right and left. And like that is, you know, that that is a hard thing to balance, you know, like you gotta switch between those modes or you gotta figure out
Maybe your own process and how to do that so that you can maximize your creativity and and not let go of accuracy when it's needed 'cause the stakes are high. You know, that is one thing. It can be a high stressful job.
Alexandra (10:04.618)
I think it is. And I I did a webinar last week. It was really interesting because the webinar was all about like what your technology systems are designers using. And we opened up a mirror board. We had 200 people in a mirror board at once going through and being able to create like essentially their own, you know, card or something to throw into this mirror board. It was totally insane. It was also super fun, very, very cool. But what it illustrated is how many different systems a designer is in.
Based on these different project phases. And there might be sometimes where they're using competitive systems for different reasons. And so it just we're dealing with so much complexity. And then you mix in again like this accuracy and everything else that just happens because of furniture specification, as well as following code and everything else. You smash it together and then mix in the fact that we're existing in a sales engine. I don't know. Like I said, I'm super excited to see what this turns out like, Doug.
Because I feel like the auras could just be so conflicting. Like this poor person, whoever you're bringing in, I'm sure she's amazing, but I'm just gonna say she's gonna be like, what the heck is up with these people?
Doug (10:59.597)
Yeah.
Doug (11:06.446)
That's hilarious. That's hilarious. I mean, I'm sure people will be enlightened. Some some will probably not be surprised at all. yeah. I have my own my own predictions, but Monday night is gonna be a lot of fun. Now we'll obviously we'll be doing this I think I believe like all day Monday and then half the day Tuesday. So even if you miss Alexandra on Monday at cocktail hour, which I think starts at three thirty,
you can catch your aura reading Tuesday morning. I wanted to ask you a little bit about Design Pop, just because I've got you here. so I'm straying to another topic. What are you most proud of that you've created through Design Pop? Like what when you think about what you've made here, and did you expect to get to where you are now at all
Alexandra (12:03.566)
most proud of.
That's gonna this is gonna sound weird because I wish it could be like I have more courses than anyone in the industry. Cause that's like what my response probably should be is like where I'm monetizing, right? Like for fifty dollars a month, you can have CT, beginner intermediate advanced spec, you can have worksheet training now align. Like we have a lot of robust courses that that's naturally where like my brain should go. But the truth is, I think what I'm the most proud of is that people show up every month for a free monthly webinar, dog. Like
I don't know. I mean, and again, like that sounds kind of goofy because it's free. but I think it's that people show up and on top of it want to participate. Because I mean, you've said it in our webinars before, the chat windows are crazy. Like we have people who are like meeting new best friends in the chat window. And I think that's what I'm the most proud of. And I again, I wish I could just be like, yeah, it's for sure like the money or something, but I have kind of always developed things under the thought of
When you make the right decisions and when you do the right things, then people show up and like the money will just happen. So I think that's what I'm the most proud of is is that belief. And what's weird is I did think I'd get here. and that again, like I'm feeling very egotistical in saying that, but I remember when I first started being like, I know what this is gonna be. And but I'm also feeling like
There's so much more to go. Like there's so much we have to go so much further to actually give dealer designers what they need for the best onboarding, for the best ongoing education. Like we as an entire industry just have to do better. And I think where I'm struggling right now is that there are so many out there that don't understand that what they're doing is maybe fulfilling their own needs, but it isn't holistically serving dealer designers. It's helping spread.
Alexandra (14:04.476)
their image and brand throughout dealerships, but it's not necessarily helping a dealer designer because that content, that education, the way that you talk has to be different. They need something different because of this precision that we keep talking about.
Doug (14:20.078)
You know, I'm trying to imagine what you add when you say, you know, we're not even close to being where we need to be, you know, I don't know if you want to tip your your hand at all, but you know, is there something that you're working on?
Alexandra (14:36.48)
You know, it's been a really big year. The la I should say like the last 18 months have been really big. I've partnered with TechMeon to put all of their CET training on the design pop. I would like to see other aligned manufacturers and open lines alike also participate and understand that yes, they have their own LMS systems. And this is huge pie in the sky, Doug, but like I just feel like we need one source for training. We're not a big industry. We can invest together to
Doug (14:46.957)
Nice.
Alexandra (15:06.432)
produce something bigger. the other side is, you know, I wanna see, I wanna see videos and training consumed where they need to be. Like I wanna see them in in the tools. And so I will say I've been working with a manufacturer and I have no problem admitting this, and a development partner on trying to get training videos that are manufacture specific within like CET. And they're also on design pop, but like
Let's be giving free access to people in certain ways. When they need help, they shouldn't have to like log in and pay for a subscription. They should be able to get what they need.
Doug (15:44.086)
That's awesome. I love the innovation in terms of like how you serve up the content and where it shows up and that sort of thing. That's pretty cool.
Alexandra (15:52.183)
Well, Doug, we're gonna see if this works. It's like, you know, I think every day what excites me is that there's always kind of like a new idea and how we accomplish it is how we accomplish it is it is a little bit of a mystery. Like it's so exciting, but then I also have my moments of like, is this gonna play? And a lot of, you know, the design pop has been pretty experimental, but I just am really thankful to people who have
understood the value in it and the understanding the value of the community and people have like sponsored me throughout all of this. I mean, like it it's that part to me is just really powerful. And and I thank you for being one of those people too. I mean, geez, early days of design pop and you know, we're talking about like, hey, what could this thing be? And it it takes a community of people to make something successful. It's not just one person.
Doug (16:37.55)
Totally, totally. Yeah. And I think the industry has rallied around you and you've just been you've been a great supporter of manufacturers likewise. So it's been a really collaborative relationship. I love how you called out your I don't know what to call them, the f the flock, the popsers, whatever, whoever's show the the whoever's showing up for the free webinars. I mean like that's really cool. Like just to have a community
Alexandra (16:58.112)
I don't I don't even know what to come with like the
Doug (17:06.966)
once a month like that that you connect with, how do how do people find that? Like if they wanna if they hear this and they're like, yeah, you know what? I want to get on that call.
Alexandra (17:15.818)
Yeah, you just go to the designpop.com and click on monthly webinar in the upper ribbon and it's there. I mean, that's it, it's there. We have one free webinar a month. We also do one webinar that is just for subscribers only. So that way they can ask any question they want. But our monthly webinars typically have a theme to them. And we're entering pop into excellence season. So in the month of June alone, we will have 11 free webinars.
Doug (17:39.586)
That's awesome. That's awesome.
Alexandra (17:40.948)
Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's you know, Doug, every day there's something new to explore. And you know that too. That's a reason there's a reason you're a podcaster, right? Because we have to uncover these stories and get to the bottom of things. And I don't know. It's it's just really a privilege to be able to have this vehicle to share with other people. But again, like I can't do it alone. And I think for me, finding people to come in and contribute, whether that be via polling or if they are, you know, coming off of mute and just talking during the webinar, like
All of those things are appreciated and lovely.
Doug (18:13.056)
Awesome. I love it. all right, one last question for you. What are you excited about these days?
Alexandra (18:18.504)
boy.
Alexandra (18:21.91)
I mean summer?
Doug (18:23.47)
Yeah, that's a fair answer. Especially if you have kids, you know. If you have kids, like there is something about the energy of having the kids in the house, you know.
Alexandra (18:28.619)
Yeah.
Alexandra (18:35.509)
Mm-hmm. So yeah, here are the things I'm excited about. I'm excited. I mean, I have to say, like, I'm excited about Design Pop. Oops.
Doug (18:48.738)
Are you there? I might have lost ya.
Doug (18:57.602)
You're back. Hang on. Let's see what happens here.
Alexandra (19:00.897)
All of a sudden river like the whole riverside just went down.
Doug (19:04.534)
Yeah, that was weird. You went black and then it's still recording, so
Alexandra (19:07.477)
Yeah. Okay, good. Well then I'll just start over on the excited part and we'll just call it a day, right? every day I wake up excited about design pop. Like that's just like that's that's the baseline. Then you add in things like summer, kid activities. you know, Doug, like I'm excited because yes, it is June, but I haven't been on the ice in a month and a half, and hockey starts on Friday. And so I'm excited to skate with my kids, as well as like, you know, 40 other kids.
Doug (19:12.194)
Yeah. Yeah.
Alexandra (19:35.851)
I'm excited to water ski this summer. Like there's just so much, I feel like the possibilities of summer. And then you mix it with so many cool things in the industry. Like, how could we not be excited for next week? Like, right? I mean, so it's all of it. And I don't know. I I think that I'm a person I try to wake up every day and find something to be excited about, and that's like a whole list of things. But I don't know, choose happiness is is kind of where I'm at.
Doug (19:48.577)
Okay.
Doug (20:04.352)
Love it. I love it. And I'm excited about the summer the same way. I'm not excited about hockey or ice. I don't touch either one of them, really. I mean, I appreciate a good hockey game, sure. I appreciate it. But like, no, I've never played. I don't skate. but I little known fact about you, you were a really competitive figure skater that did it at a pretty high level. There's actually some others in the industry that I've met. I've met two others.
Alexandra (20:31.714)
Yes.
Doug (20:33.688)
I don't know if you Holly, Holly Rao, and in out on the West Coast in SoCal. okay, you need to look up Holly. She was a highly competitive figure skater, and just, you know, superb athlete. you guys both look like you can still do it.
Alexandra (20:37.453)
I don't think so.
Alexandra (20:44.171)
Awesome.
I'll have to ask her if she's traded in her skates, you know, like t for hockey skates too, or like what she does.
Doug (20:52.588)
Yeah, you know what, you should ask. You should ask. And then I do know there's one in Gensler. There was and and I believe he was like an Olympic skater that did the paired skating. What do you call that? When you do is that what it's called? Wow. Okay. I did not think Yeah.
Alexandra (20:58.509)
Interesting.
Alexandra (21:07.196)
yeah, paraskating, yeah. Yeah.
Pair or dance, like I mean there could be like a few different th events, but like yeah, basically pairs, yeah.
Doug (21:16.172)
Yeah, Paris. And and and I've I've heard him speak before. He's actually a phenomenal speaker. And he he uses his experience as a skater to kind of bring context into design and other things. It's pretty cool.
Alexandra (21:26.956)
Do you know the ultimate is this is crazy, but I'm a huge fan, I think you know this, I'm a huge fan of the Wiser Than Me podcast with Julia Louis Dreyfus. Like I love I love that podcast. And you would probably would not listen to it, but it's a lot of like seasoned women who just have amazing stories. She had Vera Wang on. Do you know that Vera Wang literally became a designer because she didn't make the Olympic team for figure skating?
Doug (21:34.72)
yeah. Yeah. I mean
Doug (21:54.188)
What? Okay. This is crazy.
Alexandra (21:55.124)
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that either. And I'm listening to this podcast and she's like, Yeah, nothing teaches you more in life than falling. And I was like, Heck yes, I agree with that. So she's not really in our industry, but she's super famous in like design stuff, you know? Like there there are some applicable lessons and with design, we can fall on our face sometimes too.
Doug (22:02.462)
So what'd you say?
Doug (22:13.454)
I mean, I can't imagine the learning curve behind figure skating. You know, like the the the frustration and like I I've just watched my son go through it with tennis to where it's like if you if you've never played and you start playing for the first time, it feels like it's impossible to learn. You know, and then you know, you keep climbing, you keep climbing and eventually like you hit
Alexandra (22:33.558)
Yeah.
Doug (22:39.552)
a level where it's like, I can have fun playing this now, you know, I know what I'm doing. But I can imagine figure skating has to be similar, you know, unless maybe you were just so naturally athletic that it came.
Alexandra (22:49.28)
No, I was not. I I was not naturally gifted in any way, Doug. I'm gonna be super honest with you. Like it was just that I really love to jump. Like that was my thing, is I really love to jump. I was a terrible spinner. I just really loved to jump and do foot ro footwork and that kind of stuff. And so it's still to this day that that's probably why I'm okay playing hockey is I'm like or I don't play, I just skate and I teach kids how to skate. But it's probably why I love it is because to me it's just like how how many crazy things can you do with your feet? Yeah, like can you like I don't know, and the technique of all of it is fascinating to me, but
Doug (22:56.512)
wow.
Alexandra (23:19.071)
You know, it's I don't know, it's a fun thing to watch my kids learn because it's a great team sport. And that's why we've kind of adopted it is, you know, teach teach some teamwork. 'cause it's easy to get sucked into individual sports. And with figure skating, for me, that was always the negative is that you're just by yourself and you're in your head and there's a physicality, but then there's also what's happening between the ears, which is really tough. And so it's neat to see so many options coming up for
kids, you know, I mean, jeez, I don't know. I'm sure you're the same with your kids. It's like the sports that they have options to play now are so different than when we were little.
Doug (23:52.137)
my gosh, yeah. Totally different.
Alexandra (23:54.081)
Yeah. Like my son started playing lacrosse and I'm like, I know nothing about this sport. Like, can someone give me a crash course? Like I literally need a ru rule book because I don't understand this sport.
Doug (24:00.206)
That's funny.
That's hilarious. Yeah. I yeah. That that is funny. I have I have good Lacoste memories as a kid, but when I moved I was I played and then I turned thirteen and moved to Southern Illinois and it was like foreign, you know, it was like it didn't exist. So there were certain things that you just you give up. You give up then. But
Alexandra (24:23.223)
But you know what? It's never about the sport, right? It's about what you learn from it. And it's I mean, for some people, I guess if you're a professional athlete, all day it's about the sport. But I feel like for the rest of us, there's just so many life lessons that we can take from it and apply. And, you know, again, it's like the summer of possibilities. Like what's, you know, what's gonna happen? Well, we're gonna try new things. And that's what's so cool is we're all gonna try new things. Maybe we'll discover some new activity that we haven't tried yet.
Doug (24:47.596)
I love it. You know what? That is my theme for the summer. You just nailed it. The summer of possibilities. I think that's it. Yeah.
Alexandra (24:53.068)
Hey, I have a question for you. Do you make a list of like what you're gonna accomplish in summer or like what your family's gonna do? Like what how do you kick it off?
Doug (24:59.156)
I have almost a calendar 'cause there's a lot and the kids are involved in a lot of things. but I have things that I really look forward to in the summer that are relaxing and they're not they're less goal oriented. But I have asked the each of my kids to think about their own goals because it'll keep give them something to chase when you know, now the school's out. But for me it's gardening. Like
Alexandra (25:07.116)
Yeah.
Alexandra (25:28.631)
Are you a big gardener?
Doug (25:29.858)
yeah. And I try to make my garden a little better every time and I get such a thrill, you know, when I have the opportunity. Vegetables, vegetables, you know. If you count smill I mean I like I know like some people are technical, like a cucumber is technically a fruit and some of it's a tomato lab. They're all vegetables to me. They're all vegetables. Unless it's like sweet, you know, it's a vegetable. anyways, yeah, that
Alexandra (25:34.603)
What is it like vegetable, native plants? Like what what's the thing?
Alexandra (25:45.943)
Whatever, I'm not technical.
Alexandra (25:52.525)
Yeah.
Doug (25:55.532)
So like that's it. Yeah, I grow I grow vegetables. Every year my garden gets a little bit bigger, a little more sophisticated. I kinda learn, I dial it in, and I get super proud of the stuff I grow. It's like my own little thing. That's my summer. I've never grown zucchini, no, 'cause I I don't have enough to do with it. Like I I don't know, I just
Alexandra (26:08.919)
Do you grow zucchini?
Alexandra (26:15.333)
Doug. I'll s I can send if you decide to plant a zucchini plant, I'm sending you tips because you can grow them vertically. Since we live in the city, we have to do that. We're like, you know, we don't have a ton of space. So in order to go bigger, our landscaping has become vegetables. And so we've had to figure out kind of some creative methods, but also I I have a lot of recipes. I actually sneak zucchini into oatmeal even. Yeah.
Doug (26:21.144)
Okay.
Doug (26:38.444)
my gosh. Wow. No, I've I've never messed a zucchini. That that is a new one for me and I'd be open to it. I mean, I like it like a baby zucchini sliced up on the grill or whatever, but yeah.
Alexandra (26:48.589)
All right, Doug, next time you're in Minnesota, you can come over, you can look at our weird garden because it's like the city garden. And I will make you only zucchini-based food.
Doug (26:56.952)
That sounds okay. That sounds okay. I might
Alexandra (27:01.611)
Like not great. I'm gonna prove to you that zucchini like a hidden wonder of a food.
Doug (27:06.314)
Yeah. Good luck. Good luck. this is fun. Always great to hang with you. Super excited that you're gonna come see us on Monday. And yeah, it's the summer of possibilities. Let's go.
Alexandra (27:09.364)
man.
Alexandra (27:15.244)
Me too.
Alexandra (27:18.731)
It's the summer of possibil. I feel like this is the perfect interview to be like, it's hey guys, it's June second. Let's do this thing.
Doug (27:25.238)
Yeah.
All right, great to see you.
Alexandra (27:29.698)
Good to see you too.